[Music] what's the favorite thing about what you do my favorite thing is taking really complicated client briefs and then pushing the technical artistic boundaries to their absolute limits so what's your favorite thing about what you do every day is a school day no literally because you've got kids yeah what's the one thing you've learned from the current crisis that being an extrovert is really difficult in lockdown what does creativity mean to you creativity to me is about bending the rules to the point where they are almost going to break can you recommend a resource for us to check out the agency collective that was a very good resource lots and lots of agency owners supporting each other through an insanely crazy time what tv show film or book is getting you through um i've watched the 11 seasons of inkmaster since lockdown began there's nothing i don't know about sticking a needle in your arm as always the west wing i'm on viewing at least 12 and um it is my go-to when i'm stressed because they're more stressed what have you missed most during lockdown it's my stream oh dear it has been the travel i've really really missed being able to go out meet the clients travel around the world doing the filming is something that i massively enjoy about my job role what have you missed most during lockdown human contact steve human contact did you sanitize